Say no to white on white violence
Say no to white on white violence
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I don't really see it as speculatory. Basically, given yer weight there's a certain cap to the amount of kinetic force one can generate, however yer muscles contribution can only be secondary to yer body-weight in motion. So, ask yerself who puts more of their entire body's motion into the punch. The idea of motion is key, Take the Wlad upright stance, though he throws his full weight forward having no bend at the waste limits the amount of weight in motion. Look at Tyson, Dempsey, Rocky, Foreman, Frazier. They all employ as much of the three planes of geometry into their punching motion as their skill set and body will allow. They bend at the waist, they duck, and dip etc. Jack Dempsey's lead "jolt" as he called it, today is criminally under rated. No one talks about his fall-step jolt anymore, but I understand why he didn't like calling it a jab. It's not, it employs the Y(up-down) and Z(left-right) plane into yer body motion while keeping yer power-line strictly X(foward-backward). It's a more powerful way of throwing a direct lead. Rocky Marciano's crouch is an obvious, obvious example. I don't give a piss what you think; show me any other fighter at the same weight moving their opponent around with their fist more. Rocky had a habit of knocking folk out of the ring, KO or not, because even if you blocked it, 185 190 200 220 hell 300lbs static does not stop 185lbs dynamic, yer being moved. The height of this is clearly Langford. He has from an era that had plenty of LPRR training still in it. He's a fist fencer, up and down, and he can and will punch from a completely full load. You've never seen a complete load of the human body because no other pro fighter has been able to pull it off....you'll get punched trying. Stand up sideways, take yer right wrist and put it just outside yer right ankle. You get the idea right? It's not really about who's stronger, it's more about who can get away with the biggest most ridiculous range of motion both coiled and sprung. Easily Sammy Langford, unless you want to include LPRR.
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Originally Posted by Marchegiano
The length of arm surely plays a part aswell?
I get that the weight in motion and range of movement is the over-riding factor to consider, but I feel its also worth considering the range of acceleration inamongst all of this. The greater the motion the greater the peak of the velocity of the glove being thrown will be, so the faster man has a head start when it comes to reaching a peak?? Langford was fast already and had ridiculously long arms (look at any photo and the man was werdly proportioned), infact I may be dreaming but during this less enlightened time was he not compared frequently to a gorilla??
You also have to include the fanastic perception of distance he had, each punch reached its target just short of full extension giving the full range of motion you described. The perception of distance, range of motion, length of arms, and hand speed still wouldn't be enough though. To put the final piece of the puzzle in place you need to take the bulk of the mans core, his shots either looped or lunged like you've said so there's no need to even bother looking at the first muscle we normally would for puncning power, the tricep, as it has no bearing on the punches he was throwing. Instead we need to look towards the shoulder and chest which provide the power to the leverage provided by the "gorilla" like arms, and guess what?? the chest and arms are barrel, huge and basically fucking abnormal!
The fucking abnormal chest and shoulders powering the abnormally long arms, a full range of motion creating leverage from the ankle to the tip of the glove, a good basic hand speed to begin with having its full scope of acceleration with a heavy frame behind it, and a full extension of the punch offering max acceleration and max range. Yep, Lanford win unless someone can come along and give me an example of a fighter who possesses ALL of these attributes in greater quantities than Sam.
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Ill prob get hate for this....In my opinion Lennox lewis could be the hardest puncher of all time.
This is such a bad ass post it might just have to become my sig. I didn't mean to completely disregard body type, strength, or any other contributor so much as point out no one throws in a fashion that even if they did have even or better stats to make it matter. They neutralize their attack a bit in the name of defense, with the exception of The Rock, I feel like he would have the same if he had them arms you mentioned, but Marciano been short armed by God. Even Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsey didn't load that obviously and at that ridiculous a range. Where loads are even no doubt those long arms are going to help terrifically.
One of the coolest thing about Sam is when yer reading an account of his fights and they lay out the huge fucking distances he covered with a power shot. It's not that JJ and the others didn't see it coming, they didn't believe it'd hit them. Shit, the dude writing for the paper what's seen Sam do it before doesn't believe a hook can fly 20 feet either, but Sam-o don't know none of that and does it anyway. Same for Rocco, Archie saw those shots, he just didn't believe Rocco would break his elbows. Everyone see a major load, but if yer really fucking good at it , it won't matter, because they won't believe it's going to work.
Rocky Marciano vs Sam Langford at a light Marciano, medium Langford weight. My fucking fuck. The earth would rip asunder.
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Nah man, he very well could be. If he did a full load and ripped his whole body into motion, with that body type. MAaan, yer asking for 245lbs or so of Langford in shape....Lennox was a bad mah fucka. He even showed some ability in that type of brawling with Big V. I'd not argue too terribly much against Lennox.
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Lennox was a huge puncher no doubt. Wlad is too. They might be the biggest punchers of all time. Although that shot Tyson lands on Botha topped Lennox's KO of Botha in my opinion.
TURN THE VOLUME UP ,LOUD !... THEN TELL ME LENNOX ISNT THE HARDEST PUNCHER OF ALL TIME !
We should change the direction of the thread.
I mean what are we looking for?
The man who can throw the shot at the bag the hardest or the man who can throw a competitive fist the hardest? Also are we going p4p or just looking for the biggest mallet handed mutha in history?
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