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scotsirishwithswagga
10-10-2010, 07:46 AM
smart money has to say a schilt vs Overeem final, but saki looked good too at the final 16, if he can use his speed to pressure the big guys in the same way Aerts did to Schilt at the 2008 final 16 he could at least make the final and i would love to see Saki in the final at least.

ovylord
10-10-2010, 08:03 AM
Schilt wins beating Ghita in the final. I say Ghita will beat both Saki and Overeem.

scotsirishwithswagga
10-10-2010, 01:07 PM
no chance of ghita beating either schilt or overeem:))

ovylord
10-10-2010, 05:48 PM
Keep your coin in there. We'll have to bet at Ghita - Overeem.

Layton
10-11-2010, 10:40 PM
its an overeem schilt final for sure and i got overeem over schilt

scotsirishwithswagga
10-11-2010, 11:27 PM
taken from mma-tracker forum:

Semmy Schilt Accused of Cheating: Will He Be Disqualified From GP?
by Fraser Coffeen on Oct 8, 2010 12:23 PM CDT in K-1

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/10/8/1738654/semmy-schilt-accused-of-cheating-will-he-be-disqualified-from-gp (http://anonym.to/?http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/10/8/1738654/semmy-schilt-accused-of-cheating-will-he-be-disqualified-from-gp)

In a move that has the potential to greatly impact the 2010 K-1 Grand Prix, Hesdy Gerges's team has filed a formal complaint against Semmy Schilt stemming from their Final 16 match last weekend. Filed by Black Label Fighting and It's Showtime, the complaint argues that Schilt received illegal medical attention between rounds of the October 2 fight and calls for Schilt to be disqualified from the December 11 Grand Prix finals. Here is the official statement from It's Showtime and Black Label Fighting:


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In the K-1 regulations is written that in case a fighter gets injured during the fight, the wound may not be treated by one of the cornermen without interference of the official physician and referee. However, this did happen right after the first round by [Schilt's manager] Bas Boon. Schilt, who received numerous lowkicks right from the beginning of the fight, didn't check one of those lowkicks very well so his right shinbone got torn open. If the referee had seen this right away, the doctor had to take a look at the wound and continuing the fight wouldn't have been medically responsible. The referee never discovered this wound, because Schilt's corner ‘secretly' applied a lot of tape on the wound.
The exact wording of the rule in question can be found in the official K-1 rules, Article 22.5 (emphasis mine):


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Article 22: Protector
The use of protectors made of rubber, plastic, or other material is not allowed for any reason including the protection of an injury. However, when the official physician or the referee and judges allow the usage of protectors depending on the injuries, the following applies;
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5. Only the official physician is authorized to tape the injured area, once the mach starts.
That is the point Gerges's team is arguing - that Schilt's corner applied tape between rounds 1 & 2, and that doing so is in violation of this rule.

Watching the video, you can not see the tape being applied, but Schilt does clearly come out for the 2nd round with tape on his leg that was not present when the match started. Assuming Gerges's team is correct and this tape was indeed applied by Schilt's corner without the official physician, it seems there is little question here - Schilt is in violation of the rule and the complaint is valid.

The trouble though is deciding what to do about that complaint. Again, from Article 22 of the K-1 rules:


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Caution, warning or point reduction may be given if a fighter does not follow the instruction of the judges.
Nowhere does it mention the possibility of a disqualification, however there are two key points to consider. First, did the taping allow Schilt to continue despite an injury that should have stopped the fight? Second, should Schilt have been deducted a point? As it stands right now, Schilt won via split decision - a point deduction would change that to a draw, forcing an extension round.

Here is It's Showtime president Simon Rutz on the situation:


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Because Hesdy Gerges is our reigning IT'S SHOWTIME world champion, K-1 really wanted to match him with their own world champion. K-1 created a huge buzz in the Japanese media and hyped the question: ‘Who is the stronger one, the IT'S SHOWTIME world champion or the K-1 world champion?' After 2 rounds the judges scored the fight 20-20 (draw), 19-20 (for Sem) and 18-20 (for Sem). However, like everyone could see, the third round was clearly for Hesdy Gerges so that round should have been scored 10-9, 10-9, 10-9 for Hesdy Gerges. If you add that score to the scores after round 2 you will get the following end result: 30-29 (for Hesdy), 29-29 (draw) and 28-29 (for Sem). A more clear example for an extra round can't be found! If there would have been an extra round, Sem would never have been able to finish this round, because he already had difficulties finishing the third round. This decision was already unjustified, but on top of that it's clear to see that Sem Schilt's corner has violated the rules by applying a thick layer of tape on Sem's deep wound.
Finally, this is all complicated by the fact that this was a tournament fight, not a stand alone super fight. As a result, you can't call it a No Contest and walk away - someone has to move on to the finals, and this complaint argues that someone should be Hesdy Gerges.

Schilt had this to say (translated):


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It's their right to protest, but I'm not afraid of the outcome. Hesdy would undoubtedly prefer to win in the ring, then afterwards you should not get bogged down in a form error. I then continue to train so I can pop in the final.
Personally, I think what we're seeing here is undeniably a violation of the rules, and even though the officials did not catch it at the time, there should be some form of penalty. But I'm not sure I can get behind removing Schilt from the GP as that penalty. I also don't think Rutz's comments will help here, as he makes a very legitimate complaint sound a lot like sour grapes by bringing up the scoring. If the protest is in regards to the taping, then why say "This decision was already unjustified"? It starts to come across as complaining about the entire fight, which undermines the valid taping complaint.

Regardless of your take on it, by filing a formal complaint, Gerges's team has made this an issue K-1 must address, and soon. We'll keep you posted on any updates.



Boon Replies

by Dave Walsh on Oct 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT in K-1

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/10/10/1742364/golden-glorys-bas-boon-replies-to-simon-rutzs-allegations-against (http://anonym.to/?http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/10/10/1742364/golden-glorys-bas-boon-replies-to-simon-rutzs-allegations-against)

We all knew this was coming eventually, as It's Showtime/Black Label Fighters decided to throw out a rather crass allegation against Semmy Schilt and Golden Glory in regards to the Semmy Schilt vs. Hesdy Gerges Final 16 bout. The claim was, of course, that Golden Glory taped up a cut on Semmy Schilt's leg without K-1's doctors inspecting the cut.

Zach Arnold of FightOpinion reached out to Golden Glory manager Bas Boon for his thoughts on the matter, and as you could imagine, Bas held nothing back.


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The protest comes from a frustrated Simon Rutz who does not control his "star" fighter Badr Hari. Round one and two were for Semmy and round three for Hesdy, so the result 2-1 is correct.

As for the protest, I hope for Hesdy that the unprofessional behavior of his management will not lead to not using Hesdy in a superfight or reserve fight on December 11th. All fighters and coach/managers must sign a form at the rule meeting and can not discredit K-1 (Simon likes to speak about the rules, well… this is also a rule). Simon Rutz has all the right to protest how much he wants, but he should first wait for the result which takes two or three weeks according to K-1 rules.

What is really surprising is that a Dutch newspaper "the telegraph" printed this story on the front page – stating there is e a big chance of Semmy being disqualified? This is speculation, as K-1 never spoke to any media about any protest or result (confirmed by mail) and these lies came by a press conference from Simon. I contacted K-1 and they never talked to any media about this. This was orchestrated by Simon Rutz, who is a promoter himself and has his own agenda. They called the action of Bas Boon sneaky?

If Rutz would have read the K-1 rules, he could have seen that the worst penalty they could have given me for taping Semmy after the first round would be a caution, warning or finally a point deduction or yellow card. However, I did use tape from the organization and an official was present who ask me to stop taping when the second round started, so there is nothing sneaky about that – as Simon claimed in the Dutch telegraph newspaper.

It also proved that we could enjoy another two great rounds and that medical interference was never necessary.

Disqualification is mentioned in the K-1 rules if I would have entered the ring during the fight, which did not happen.

It’s a last attempt of desperate management (if you can call it a management) who sees their "star" fighters not performing or even not see them at all… not to mention how unprofessional this behavior is.

Kharitonov performed very well in only his second K-1 fight and Saki and Alistair did great. Semmy had a hard fight, but deserved the win.
The underlying problems here have to do with the two biggest fight camps involved in kickboxing going head-to-head. Golden Glory is clearly the big dog here, but Rutz's Black Label has talent like Badr Hari, Giorgio Petrosyan and Hesdy Gerges and many other developing stars. If anything, this puts K-1 in a bind, as it has to be fair to both sides to keep them happy. Rutz has made it clear that It's Showtime can work on its own, and the yearly Golden Glory shows have been successful enough for them to branch out into their new tournament format.

ovylord
10-13-2010, 07:10 PM
Cool! If Schild gets disqualified, Ghita will win it.

Rawly
10-13-2010, 09:40 PM
What day/s do they show this and where can I watch it. From what I just read, It's not Schilds fault they didn't catch it at the moment.

scotsirishwithswagga
10-14-2010, 09:14 AM
its more of a problem in that if they lose Golden Glory K-1 loses half it's HW roster and if its not fair to black lane they lose a few more HWs and their current MAX champion@-)

Ghita has no chance If Schilt aint there it's all ubereem or Saki, no way a non GG fighter wins this year.

ovylord
10-14-2010, 09:30 AM
:)) I really don't understand why are you so high on Saki! Overeem yes, but Saki, wtf?

scotsirishwithswagga
10-14-2010, 11:22 AM
he's just really quick and his leg kicks are brutal. Aside from remy bonjaskey i think saki has the best MT of any other fighter in the GP if he can stick and move he has a great chance.

as much as i love k-1 WGP i wish they would split it into 2 weights because realistically saki, spong, aerts, kyotaro etc. dont stand a chance against the giants. they could easily fill up a CW GP and a SHW GP for the schilts, ghitas, gerges and HMC(if he ever comes back)

why the hell you so hung up on ghita btw? he's a very good fighter but i dont see him winning the WGP over some of the other guys. I would put him ahead of kyotaro, mighty mo, aerts, and spong but i say saki, ubereem and schilt have a better chance than him.

ovylord
10-15-2010, 09:46 AM
he's just really quick and his leg kicks are brutal. Aside from remy bonjaskey i think saki has the best MT of any other fighter in the GP if he can stick and move he has a great chance.

as much as i love k-1 WGP i wish they would split it into 2 weights because realistically saki, spong, aerts, kyotaro etc. dont stand a chance against the giants. they could easily fill up a CW GP and a SHW GP for the schilts, ghitas, gerges and HMC(if he ever comes back)

why the hell you so hung up on ghita btw? he's a very good fighter but i dont see him winning the WGP over some of the other guys. I would put him ahead of kyotaro, mighty mo, aerts, and spong but i say saki, ubereem and schilt have a better chance than him.

:)) Isn't that obvious?Beside he's romanian, he's only loss in K1 is against Schilt, except that he has 4KO wins, and the last one against Zimmerman was brutal. You say Saki's leg kicks are brutal. You should see Ghita's. I agree Saki is fast and his movement and boxing are very good but he's to small. I have Schilt as the main favorite, Ghita on the same step with alistair and Saki the fourth. The problem is Schilt has an easy route to the final, while ghita, saki and overeem are all on the second half of the tableau.

scotsirishwithswagga
10-15-2010, 09:53 AM
true dat they all have a hard route bar schilt. is k-1 still quite big in europe? its non existant in the u.k.

tbh i thought more peeps here would have got in on this topic guess i over estimated k-1s popularity.

ovylord
10-15-2010, 09:58 AM
It's pretty popular here, in romania. In fact, in the city where i am now, there is a kickboxing gym but not a boxing one.

scotsirishwithswagga
10-15-2010, 11:09 AM
hmm they used to show its showtime here but not anymore. :(