PDA

View Full Version : 50 Greatest Heavyweights



Obama
01-17-2010, 11:00 PM
Ring Magazine last did this in 1998. Their list was as follows:

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Evander Holyfield
04. George Foreman
05. Larry Holmes
06. Rocky Marciano
07. Sonny Liston
08. Joe Frazier
09. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles
12. James J. Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Sam Langford
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling
20. Max Baer
21. Floyd Patterson
22. Ken Norton
23. Riddick Bowe
24. Bob Fitzsimmons
25. Joe Jeannette
26. Jimmy Bivins
27. Jerry Quarry
28. Jack Sharkey
29. Archie Moore
30. Sam McVey
31. Cleveland Williams
32. Lennox Lewis
33. Earnie Shavers
34. Jim Corbett
35. Ernie Terrell
36. Michael Spinks
37. Jimmy Young
38. Zora Folley
39. Ingemar Johansson
40. Ron Lyle
41. Tim Witherspoon
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Mike Weaver
44. Michael Moorer
45. James J. Braddock
46. Tommy Farr
47. Tommy Burns
48. Tommy Gibbons
49. Pinklon Thomas
50. Michael Dokes

---------------------------------------

I've always had a lot of problems with this list because there were about 44 'A' level Heavyweights from history to choose from at the time, yet this list includes a lot of A-/B level fighters.

B Level Guys on the List:
Michael Dokes
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver

'A-' Level Guys on the List:
Jerry Quarry
Cleveland Williams (Could have beat Eddie Machen)
Earnie Shavers
Ernie Terrell
Jimmy Young (Could have beat Ali and Norton)
Ron Lyle
Tim Witherspoon (Could have beat Holmes)
Jimmy Ellis
Tommy Farr (Could have beat Braddock)
Tommy Gibbons

Some of the 'A-' fighters I would rate at 'A' if they obtained the wins listed in parentheses. These are fights they had which could have realistically gone in their favor. The 'A-' fighters without parenthetical comments make the list inexcusably, Jerry Quarry aside.

---------------------------------------

Below I've constructed a list of 45 'A' fighters, with 5 more who just missed to make 50. Afterward I listed some other fighters worth mentioning. Anyways, my list is not in order and I have no plans to order anything past the first 20. Fighters in red don't appear on Ring Magazine's ratings at all. Starred fighters don't appear because their career didn't warrant a rating in 1998.

The 50

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1653)
Evander Holyfield
George Foreman (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=4715)
Mike Tyson (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=3580)
Lennox Lewis (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=3555)
Harry Wills (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=3530)
Sam Langford (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1694)
Jack Dempsey (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1651)
Rocky Marciano (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1643)
Joe Frazier (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1628)
James J. Jeffries (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1592)
Joe Jeannette (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1590)
Jack Sharkey (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1507)
Riddick Bowe (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1491)
Sam McVea (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1459)
Max Schmeling (http://sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=1457)
Peter Jackson
Floyd Patterson
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Jersey Joe Walcott
Wladimir Klitschko*
Vitali Klitschko*
Bob Fitzsimmons
James J. Corbett
Max Baer
Jimmy Bivins
Ken Norton
John L. Sullivan
Michael Moorer
Tommy Burns
Primo Carnera
Zora Folley
Eddie Machen
Ingemar Johansson
Tom Sharkey
James J. Braddock
Fred Fulton
Michael Spinks
Archie Moore
Jimmy Young (Could have beat Ali and Norton)
Ray Mercer (Could have beat Holyfield and Lewis)
Tommy Farr (Could have beat Braddock)
Tim Witherspoon (Could have beat Holmes)
Joe Choynski (Could have beat Jeffries)
Ike Ibeabuchi* (Too short a career)


The Rest

Luis Angel Firpo (Could have beat Dempsey)
Cleveland Williams (Could have beat Eddie Machen)
Harold Johnson (Beat Machen and Charles)
Billy Conn (Only defeated by Joe Louis at Heavyweight and nearly won the first time)
Jack Thompson (One of three men to beat McVea, Jeannette, and Langford)

imported_Nothingman
01-18-2010, 12:15 AM
Pinklon Thomas was A- in his prime.

Obama
01-18-2010, 12:24 AM
Pinklon Thomas was A- in his prime.

When exactly was his prime?

Sweet Pea
01-18-2010, 07:50 AM
I actually don't agree with Holyfield & Tyson being ranked higher than Lewis. I may agree with Tyson, but not Evander.

imported_Nothingman
01-18-2010, 12:04 PM
When exactly was his prime?
Somewhere right before the Witherspoon fight and until after the Weaver fight. He lost interest in boxing, simply. He wanted to be a singer all of the sudden!:rolleyes:

Obama
01-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Somewhere right before the Witherspoon fight and until after the Weaver fight. He lost interest in boxing, simply. He wanted to be a singer all of the sudden!:rolleyes:

The man had a 2 fight prime in a 1 year window?

This look like a semi-elite fighter to you:
UATqZ1aAVFc

Maybe in the Heavyweight Division of today.

imported_Nothingman
01-18-2010, 07:41 PM
The man had a 2 fight prime in a 1 year window?

This look like a semi-elite fighter to you:
UATqZ1aAVFc

Maybe in the Heavyweight Division of today.
I know he looked better against Tyson for 5 rounds than most others have, including Bruno and Tubbs.

Obama
01-18-2010, 07:55 PM
I know he looked better against Tyson for 5 rounds than most others have, including Bruno and Tubbs.

So Tyson beat an A- Heavyweight when he met Thomas then? Merchant did have him winning the fight at the time of the KO.

imported_Nothingman
01-18-2010, 08:21 PM
So Tyson beat an A- Heavyweight when he met Thomas then? Merchant did have him winning the fight at the time of the KO.
Merchant was never the best judge. I thought you knew that. Thomas won rounds 2,3,4 and 5.

Obama
01-18-2010, 08:32 PM
Merchant was never the best judge. I thought you knew that. Thomas won rounds 2,3,4 and 5.

Merchant had Thomas winning, 3-2.... 4-1 is absurd.

Obama
01-19-2010, 01:40 AM
I'm debating moving Willard off the 'A' list. I think I'm over rating his win over Jack Johnson.

The Floyd Johnson win makes it tricky...