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Obama
08-09-2009, 07:03 PM
Next on the list (http://www.sweetboxing.com/showthread.php?t=614)... Sam Langford:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/langford-sam-4.jpg

If you want a narrative on Langford's career, I can do no better than this:

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/langford.html

But, what I have to offer is a resume evaluation:
*Note, when a fighter's weight division isn't specified, he's a Heavyweight


Sam Langford

Notable Wins:

Joe Gans *Lightweight

Willie Lewis *Welterweight [Pre-prime]

George McFadden *Lightweight [Post-prime]

Tommy Sullivan *Lightweight

George Gunther (x4) *Welterweight [First 2 wins pre-prime, rest prime]

Dave Holley *Lightweight

Young Peter Jackson (x4) *Middleweight

Jack Blackburn *Lightweight

Larry Temple (x3) *Middleweight [First win prime, rest post-prime]

Joe Jeannette (x8)

Jim Barry (x7)

Sandy Ferguson

John Wille (x2)

Tony Ross (x2)

Fireman Jim Flynn (x5) [First 2 prime, rest over the hill]

Morris Harris (x2)

Al Kubiak (x2)

John Klondike Haines (x2)

Dixie Kid (x2) *Welterweight

Mike Schreck <Past his prime>

Stanley Ketchel *Middleweight

Battling Jim Johnson (x9)

Jeff Clark (x5) *Light Heavyweight

Philadelphia Jack O'Brien *Light Heavyweight

Sam McVea (x6)

Porky Dan Flynn (x2)

John Lester Johnson

Tom McMahon

Harry Wills (x2)

Gunboat Smith

Jack Thompson (x4)

Bill Tate (x4)

Andre Anderson

Kid Norfolk *Light Heavyweight

Tiny Jim Herman

Frank Farmer *Light Heavyweight

George Godfrey (x2)

Lee Anderson (x2)

Bearcat Wright (x3)

Tut Jackson (x2)

Tiger Flowers *Middleweight [Pre-prime] <Langford already naturally Heavyweight at this point>

Notable Losses:

Jack Blackburn (Avenged) <Pre-Prime>

Dave Holly (Avenged) <Pre-Prime>

Larry Temple (Avenged 3 times) <Pre-Prime>

Joe Jeannette (x3) [TKO 8] [NWS 10] [PTS 12] <First of two men to KO Langford in his prime>

Jack Johnson

Young Peter Jackson (Avenged 4 times) <2nd man to KO Langford in his prime>

Jim Barry

Sam McVea (x2)

Gunboat Smith

Harry Wills (x13) [PTS 10] [NWS 10] [PTS 20] [NWS 10] [NWS 8] [NWS 10] [NWS 12] [KO 6] [TKO 7] [NWS 8] [PTS 15] [PTS 15] [PTS 10]

Jeff Clark (x2) <Over the hill in 2nd bout>

Bill Tate (x4) <1st fight past his prime, rest over the hill>

Fred Fulton (x2) [TKO 7] [PTS 4] <Past his prime in 1st, over the hill in 2nd>
Questionable Losses:
Gunboat Smith


Questionable Draws:

Joe Walcott




'A' level wins:

Gans, Blackburn, Jeannette (x7), Ketchel, O'Brien, McVea (x5), Wills (x2)

'A-' level wins:

Jeannette, McVea, Ferguson, Norfolk

'B' level wins:

Tommy Sullivan, George Gunther (x2), Dave Holley, Young Peter Jackson (x4), Larry Temple, Jim Barry (x5), Tony Ross (x2), Fireman Jim Flynn (x2), Morris Harris (x2), Al Kubiak (x2), John Klondike Haines (x2), Dixie Kid (x2), Mike Schreck, Battling Jim Johnson (x9), Jeff Clark (x5), Porky Dan Flynn (x2), John Lester Johnson, Tom McMahon, Gunboat Smith, Jack Thompson (x4), Bill Tate (x4), Tiny Jim Herman, Frank Farmer, George Godfrey (x2), Lee Anderson (x2), Bearcat Wright (x3), Tiger Flowers

'B-' level wins:

Willie Lewis, George McFadden, George Gunther (x2), Larry Temple (x2), Jim Barry (x2), John Wille (x2), Andre Anderson, Tut Jackson (x2)




Point Total: 25 + 4.5 + 45.5 + 4.5 – 35 = 44.5

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Sam was rated as the #7 Heavyweight of all time in 1958 by Nat Fleischer. Charley Rose ranked him as his #1 all time Heavyweight in 1968. Herbert Goldman rated him as his #2 Light Heavyweight in 1987. Cox's Corner considers him the #1 all time Light Heavyweight. I consider him a top 10 fighter @ Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight, and pound for pound.

Sweet Pea
08-09-2009, 07:31 PM
The Cox's Corner article is superb. Langford was amazing.. as is the case with many of these old school fighters, the detraction points take so much away from the total rating. Langford was incredible..

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson
Sam Langford #6 all-time Heavyweight
George Foreman
Rocky Marciano
Harry Wills
Joe Frazier

Obama
08-09-2009, 07:32 PM
Fireman Jim Flynn III
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*The upset prior to this bout which they are referring to came on 2/8/1910 in a 10 round affair. If you go to boxrec however, it comes up as a draw according to the Chicago Tribune. Langford was said to have carried Flynn in that fight in order to set up a longer rubber match worth more money down the road. Langford got his wish, and KOed Flynn in 8.

Bill Lang
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Obama
08-09-2009, 07:49 PM
The Cox's Corner article is superb. Langford was amazing.. as is the case with many of these old school fighters, the detraction points take so much away from the total rating. Langford was incredible..

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Lennox Lewis
Jack Johnson
Sam Langford #6 all-time Heavyweight
George Foreman
Rocky Marciano
Harry Wills
Joe Frazier

This your Heavyweight list?